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(DM: Diane McKenzie, Interviewer)

We had a lot of discussions in those days. 聽There was the year of the 'F聽Wars' ...聽the feminist wars carried out in The Meliorist; one winter things got quite acrimonious.聽 And every week, front page of the Meliorist was the latest installment of the 鈥淔鈥� Wars.聽 We had a group for a while, a colleague and I started up in the late 鈥�80s I guess, called the Feminist Pedagogy Group where a bunch of us would get together to talk about teaching in different disciplines and the issues. 聽By the end of the 鈥�80s and the early 鈥�90s there were a few more couples. 聽And that was always interesting being half of a couple.聽 I think some people were afraid somehow we were a voting block and we going to, I don鈥檛 know ...聽stage a coup and take over the department. 聽And the first time I voted differently than Steve (spouse)聽at a department meeting, people were shocked. 聽It was like really ...聽think we only have one brain between the two of us? 聽So there were a lot of issues.聽 And a lot of discussion.聽 Men professors could say things in classes, challenge the status quo in ways that women couldn鈥檛.

There were some women who were very much known and looked down on I think as radical feminists, because they tried to change things.聽 I was in a different position in a way.聽 Because I was a bit younger than some of them that I am thinking about, but also I was married, I had the same last name as my husband, and I had a child.聽 So I could say more radical things, but people didn鈥檛 consider them as radical, as some of the things others could say ...聽because how could she be a feminist if she is married and has a kid?聽 Right? 聽So we would strategize, and different people could say things in different ways.

So it was a very interesting time in the 鈥�80s. 聽The 免费福利资源在线看片 was young and optimistic and yet there were things going on from my point of view. 聽Particularly for women.聽 And I got very involved in some of that, around the time, so this would have been ...聽鈥�89 my daughter was born, so within a year or two after that somebody looked around one day and said, 'You know what, we are behind the times here. 聽We don鈥檛 have enough women. 聽How聽do we get more?' 聽And suddenly there were all these committees and people said, 'Well, we should have a woman on that committee. 聽What do you mean there are no women on the hiring committee?聽 Or this or that committee?' 聽And there were only three of us in the sciences.聽

So, the year I got a tenure track position, it is like, suddenly I am legitimate, not a term person anymore.聽 I finished my PhD.聽 Permanent job, and I got asked to be on everything. (DM: 聽It鈥檚 to equalize everything else, right?)聽 And that is something else we talked a lot about because there were so few of us, and you didn鈥檛 want to say no, because then there wouldn鈥檛 be any women鈥檚 voices on the committee.聽 On the other hand you didn鈥檛 want to be on everything and you didn鈥檛 want to be a token woman.聽 I don鈥檛 speak for all women.聽聽I mean,聽you know聽these issues.